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Subject: Re: [DIGITALCLASSICIST] Greek dialect codes
Hi Gabby -- just to stir up the conversation a bit... (if it's off-topic,
feel free to ignore the message ☺)
I am aware that grc is meant to include also Medieval/Byzantine Greek.
Greek in the 13th century is however very different from that in the 5th
century B.C. Any thoughts on adding/proposing a language code also for
Byzantine Greek? But, again, how to define it?
Suggestions/input/criticism are much appreciated!
Cheers,
m.
Le lun. 19 juin 2023 à 13:07, Gabriel Bodard <
000076ab495b8a66-dmarc-request(a)jiscmail.ac.uk<mailtolto:
000076ab495b8a66-dmarc-request(a)jiscmail.ac.uk>> a écrit :
Following up in turn on Joel's 2018 (re)query of my 2007 (!) question:
1. the Wikipedia error that Chris reports seems to have been fixed; that
page now correctly offers "el" or "gre" for modern Greek, and
"grc" only
for ancient Greek;
2. re dialects: I don't have any strong feelings about separating
Epic/Homeric from more organic dialects such as
Aeolic/Attic/Doric/Ionic/etc. Is there any practical reason to do so? I'm
not sure what the philosophical reason would be…
3. would there be any appetite among DigiClass members for compiling,
testing, documenting (and perhaps ultimately proposing for wider adoption)
a short list of dialects? Some work was done on this by a workshop group
over a decade ago (documented so far as I can see only in
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.goog…);reserved=0),
so it would probably not take long to pick up and complete.
Cheers
Gabby
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Subject: Re: [DIGITALCLASSICIST] Greek dialect
codes
I see that el is the code for Greek (modern) in 639-1. But wikipedia claims
grc is also be for Greek (modern) in 639-2/B
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipe…
That seems to be incorrect though:
grc Greek, Ancient (to 1453) grec ancien (jusqu'à 1453)
gre/ell el Greek, Modern (1453-) grec moderne (après 1453)
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.loc.go…
It seems that registering secondary language subtags for classical Greek is
easily done; it just needs a proposal (names and definitions) for the list,
which has had some level of review from the community.
On 4/12/2018 10:00 PM, Kalvesmaki, Joel wrote:
Greetings,
In my work I’m now facing the question raised by Gabbie in 2007 (see
below). He didn’t get a response then, but this decade’s readership might
have proposals or solutions.
I see from a random sample of entries I’ve fetched from
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.p…
that Attic, Doric, Aeolic, Ionic are all candidates. But many times in the
same field -- <cnt:dial/> -- we have epic and Homeric. Would it be improper
to treat the latter group the same as the former? If so, then what is the
practical alternative for the relatively straightforward <body
xml:lang="grc-Homeric">…</body>?
Whether or not a formal IANA application was eventually written, it’s
probably worth documenting suggestions on the classicist wiki (which I
can’t seem to access right now; my archival search suggests the topic is
still terra incognita).
Sincerely,
jk
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Dear colleagues,
Have you, or do you know of anyone who has, done any work on encoding
Greek dialects in XML? In particular, has anyone tried to compile a list
of dialects and propose 5- to 8-character codes for them to the IANA
registry (as described at
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.o…
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at
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)?
So for example, the Aeolic dialect might be expressed using the xml:lang
attribute with the value:
xml:lang="grc-Aeolic"
(where "grc" is the 3-letter code for classical Greek, there not being a
2-letter code like "el" for modern Greek)
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions.
G
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